We received a call from a rep who introduced herself on the phone, taking over
from the previous guy. He made but one call here and made a nice sale,
too. His predecessor was one who never showed up with great regularity and
it, apparently, hasn't dawned on this guy that 75% of his visits resulted in an
order and that more frequent stops might have generated more business for him
(he shows up every three to six months, typically). Three weeks after the
"new" rep has phoned, we still have not met her face-to-face.
She sent along a fax telling about some promotional pricing. We called to
ask if she was planning to stop by. She was and arrived a few hours
later. Busy working on a project, I was summoned by the staff here to meet
the new rep. It took me several minutes (about 4 or 5) to finish my
project and when I arrived on the sales floor, I found this lady sitting on a
wine box playing with the box of Lego's we have out front for kids to play with
while Mom and Dad are shopping for wine.
This made a wonderful impression.
One fellow shows up sporadically. One year he did not
pay a single visit to our account during the Christmas holidays. When queried he
said "Parking is such a hassle during the holidays, so I try to stay at
home!" Needless to say, his sales suffered. (Parenthetically,
during the course of the 2003 holiday season, this same rep was more difficult
to find than Osama Bin Laden.) During the
2004 Christmas season, this fellow was, as usual, nowhere to be found. He
sent a note saying he's on vacation from December 22 until the 29th. Given
that we haven't seen him since well before Thanksgiving, I'd say he's on
vacation for pretty much all of December! The fellow works for another
wine company these days...we saw him in October of 2011 and expressed an
interest in tasting a particular wine. As of mid-April 2012, we'd not
We saw this character once in early 2014 and then while we were out of town in,
say, March of that year. We were sold out of an item in early April which
we had floor-stacked. We did not hear from this guy until July!
Happily we found a similar (maybe slightly better) quality item and have since
replaced that stack.
The rep whose stack it is now comes to the shop every
week without fail! He deserves the business!
A new sales rep was dragged in by the "boss" of a small
distributorship or brokerage. They have all kinds of expensive wines
masquerading as something special or exclusive. He handed us a current
catalogue and we expressed interest in a handful of items.
"I'll try to come by in a couple of weeks." he told us.
A good sales rep would not wait a couple of weeks, fearing the buyer might find
someone else's products for their racks or display!
This fellow DID finally show up. Four weeks later and we were busy with a
marketing seminar for some students from France. He told our associate
"I'll try to stop back by one day when I am next in the area."
A sales rep from a local distillery stopped by one day. We expressed
interest in some new offerings she was hoping to show.
There was one sales rep ahead of her and we were quickly wrapping up that visit.
The distillery lady grew impatient after about 10 minutes, came to the counter
and said "Here are some informational sheets about our new products.
And with that she departed...never having made a presentation.
She did not indicate that she had to run off to an appointment (she did not call
ahead to say she was coming here, by the way. She just popped in.)
Never saw her again.
A sales rep for a local importer showed us a half a dozen wines.
We were checking the current inventory of his products and he asked if we wanted
"to do anything."
Our response was "Give me a minute...I'm checking stock status on your
Not having heard the reply, not paying attention or simply not caring, the
fellow walked out to his car (parked out in front of the shop). We waited
a few minutes, expecting he would return.
Finally we went out the front door to see if he was still here.
He drove off, missing the placement of one of his wines and not taking a reorder
for other products.
A fellow who's been with a number of wine distribution companies took a job with
a little company from whom we buy regularly.
He's shown up sporadically and we cannot count on him visiting us on a regular
As we write this, he's been with that organization for about a year.
Once in a while he has brought a bag of bottles to show us and we dutifully
taste and might re-order some wines from the displays which have been depleted.
They have a particular wine which was sold out on their end and he called to say
it was arriving in a few days, so they could fill an order at that time.
The following week we had not heard from him.
A week later...nothing.
The next week, still no contact, either with a phone call or visit.
So I called their office and nobody answered the phone. A fellow there,
though, did not call back, but sent an email saying he just missed our call.
I replied with an order of a modest quantity of some wines.
Perhaps 6 or 7 hours after, the sales rep calls and suggests it would be
"better" if I simply call him instead of "bothering" the
When I suggested he stop by on a regular basis, he told me "Well, I've
brought wines for you to taste and nothing seems to come of it."
Ahh! Now I understand why he doesn't come by and show wines.
Never mind that he has taken an order from time to time when he has stopped by.
It seems he has not figured out that just because he comes to visit, we may not
have room for his wine right at that particular moment as the store is typically
over-flowing with wine and we may already have several equally tasty versions of
the same sort of wine he is selling.
Of course, if he brings in something we find to be of interest, it is then noted
and we would replace some other wine with his when that is sold out.
By the way, we typically have been ordering wine from this company every second
or third week so there's an order being placed at least once a month.
I'd be more understanding of the fellow not showing up if we were not buying
anything, but we have maybe 40 items from his company in the shop at this
And we even have refrained from ordering by phone so he could write an order
when he comes by the shop, hoping this encourages him to visit regularly.
A fellow visited saying he was the new sales rep for an importer/distributor.
We have not bought anything from that organization in years.
The rep had no bottles to show.
He had no catalogue or price list.
He handed us a business card saying "If you need anything, call me."
Over the ensuing four months we have not heard from this individual and,
needless to say, we have not purchased anything.
How would we know what wines are in that portfolio?
Don't visit the account and take up valuable customer parking!
We often see sales reps driving up to our front door and availing themselves of
a vacant parking space. If you are parked there, where does a paying
customer park? If the customers can't get to the place, the store or
restaurant will not need your products, will they? We are often viewed
with disdain by sales reps when we ask them to be more considerate of our
Imagine if a restaurant parking lot was filled with cars from the owner of the
place, the chef and kitchen crew, wait staff, dish-washers, etc. Where are
the customers supposed to park if the parking is taken up by staff members?
If sales reps preclude customers from finding a near-the-door spot, can you
please understand why we don't appreciate seeing you park in front?
We routinely hear from customers "I tried stopping by the other day, but
there was no parking on your block!"
A rep parked in front and we noticed this and asked "Say, if you're going
to park there, where should a customer park?"
"Oh...would you like me to move my car?"
"Would you please?" And he did.
Ten minutes later, a sales rep pulls in front and she puts a couple of coins in
the meter and rolls in with her bag of tricks.
"Say, if you're going to park there, where should a customer park?" we
"You know, I didn't see a sign on the parking meter pole reading 'Weimax
She continued: "You mean that meter there? The one I put money
I reached into my pocket and asked how much she needed, 25 cents or 50 cents.
"No, I don't need your money!"
I realized this was a lost cause, and I still tasted her wines, even though
she did not move her car.
One sales rep from a large, liquor-oriented house did not make sales calls for
several weeks. We politely asked him "How was your vacation?" as
we figured he was either on holiday or in the hospital. "It was
wonderful!" he exclaimed. He might have done well to tell us he was
leaving for vacation and with whom to place orders during his absence. Of
course, this is crediting the fellow with more smarts than he possesses!
I noticed a sales rep in the doorway one busy day and was glad to see him, since
we needed a few of his wines. Much later in the day we realized we had not
caught up with this fellow and so we called. He explained that we
"looked kind of busy and I didn't want to wait, so I left."
We received an invitation to one of 4 dining opportunities from a small import
company rep. His boss was coming to town and they wanted to showcase their
wines in the company of good food. We were unable to attend any of these
events (there's rarely a chance to have a clear 'look' at the wines, for one
thing). We had not heard from the sales rep for nearly three weeks and
when he finally called, we asked where he'd been. It seems his week with
the boss was an adequate excuse for not stopping by or even picking up the phone
(as he usually does anyway) to see if we need to replenish any of his
One of his floor-stacks has since been taken over by a
One rep with a spotty attendance record took an 18 case order
one day. We had some of his wines in our newsletter. He did not show
up to see the buyer for more than a month when we sent his firm an e-mail
suggesting "regular" sales calls, either weekly or every-other-week.
The manager of the firm wrote back saying "I'll discuss this with the
rep." A week went by and we still had not heard from this fellow.
In an attempt to gently spur him into regular sales calls, we put his picture on
the side of a milk carton.
(Not this guy, though...another rep.)
Happily this guy has a good sense of humor and got a chuckle out his his
One sales rep has a routine litany of excuses as to why he
cannot make his weekly sales call.
We have been told he has "car trouble," "back trouble"
(this, I suspect, is due to his boss kicking him in the butt on a routine basis,
but I don't know for sure) or "the wine I was bringing to show you today is
Having noted these three excuses, I have noticed he seemed to usually cite one of
these cases about once a month.
One day I was intending to survey the staff to elicit their "bets" as
to whether or not one of these would come into play that week. But before
I could ask them, the fellow phoned to say he was having car trouble and
wouldn't be able to make it by the shop.
His boss was amused by the frequent citation of "corked wine" as a
reason not to come by, saying "Gee, half the sample bottles I just gave him
have screw caps!"
We don't have "appointments," since we're a small shop and, in our
mind, customers come first.
But some buyers DO have appointments. I spoke with a restaurateur who had
made an appointment with a sales rep, but the rep didn't show up. The rep
did not call, either. Since then, this fellow has not purchased, nor will
he purchase, any wines from that particular winery.
In fairness, however, it must be pointed out that many restaurant buyers have
the notion they are "God's Gift to the wine industry" and routinely do
not keep appointments they have made with sales people. This is equally
rude, of course. One salesman tells of making a trip to a particular
"corner" of his territory for a restaurateur who is notoriously
missing-in-action for her "appointments." When he's traveled 30
to 60 minutes to be there for an appointment and the buyer is suddenly
"AWOL," you can imagine the frustration on the part of the sales rep.
We have not seen a sales rep from a
company which has numerous good wines.
The Covid Pandemic gives this fellow a measure of "cover" for not
visiting to a degree.
But then he is unwilling to send us a sample bottle of new vintages of various
wines which have worked for us in the past.
And he doesn't visit, so naturally his sales have dropped significantly.
Finally the guy told us he would come to taste wines with us providing we make
We have "open call" for three hours Tuesday through Thursday and if
there are a few reps waiting we speedily move through the line so they never
have to wait more than 15 or 20 minutes.
We find the idea of seeing these reps on a first come/first serve basis to be
most efficient as traffic in the Bay Area can be challenging.
This rep is located some 60 miles from our shop and needs maybe 70 to 90 minutes
in the car to get here.
There's a good chance he will encounter some traffic, but he has the idea that
we should brush off other reps who've been waiting a few minutes when he does
finally grace us with his presence.
As a result, we have not seen the fellow in about 4 years.
SIZE UP THE ACCOUNT.
You should peruse the shop or wine list.
See what wines they sell.
Do they feature mainstream, run-of-the-mill wines or do they have a varied
Where do your wines fit in?
Watch how the store operates! Do sales clerks sit behind the cash register
or watch TV or are they actively stocking the displays and speaking to
Is the shop one that relies upon "canned" point-of-sale materials
(signs, reviews, numerical point scores, medals, etc.) or are they passionate
about the wines they feature because THEY LIKE THEM?
Some stores expect the sales people to do virtually ALL the work. Stock
the bins. Keep the bottles polished and, while you're at it, sweep the
Our shop is a wine specialty place. Some accounts in a
sales rep's territory are grocery stores, liquor stores or convenience
stores. Yet distributorships routinely send out their reps to try to sell
us items we don't have a prayer of successfully selling as though every account is
SURVEY YOUR PRODUCTS !!!
And those of your competitor...
When you arrive in a shop or restaurant, a good sales rep should attempt to make
the easiest sale possible: the repeat sale!
This means you ought to cruise around to see how the wines they already have
from your firm are selling. Have they sold out? Are they in need of
You ought to have a list of what wines they have of yours and survey the place
to see what items are "low" in stock.
Is the display filled? Is it neat and orderly?
Years ago, one firm used to arm its sales reps with a feather duster. We
don't see this any longer, but having the bottles clean and presentable to
customers is a great idea. Bottles with several layers of dirt or dust on
them are less likely to be brought to the cash register.
We appreciate it if reps notice that their items are in need of re-ordering or,
for example, a particular wine we have in stock is not displayed...
You might also have a look to see whose wines are being featuring in an account.
Which of your competitors is having success?
This can give you some insight into the account.
You can also see if there are some "holes" in the store or
If they sell a bunch of Italian wines, for example, do they have anything from,
say, Sardegna? How about Calabria? Maybe you have a wine, or two,
from those places which might find a home?
Similarly, if you're selling French wines, do they carry anything from Provence,
Gascony or the Alps? Maybe there's an opening for you there???
One sales rep came in and set her briefcase on top of an empty
display box. The floorstack featured a wine in her portfolio. But
she never would look around the shop to see if any of her wines were prominently
displayed. She asked, "Need anything?" and walked out without
ever noticing her empty stack of wine boxes!
Some stores have newsletters, newspaper ads or websites, yet few sales reps
think to ask how to get their merchandise positioned or featured in these
We used to conduct sit-down blind-tastings. Yet it's only one or two sharp sales
reps who even inquire if we'd consider including their wines in these
competitive tastings! Nobody even looks to see what events we're
organizing. Should a wine win a tasting and be priced within reason to
attract customers, future sales can be made!
One sales rep determined that since we would not be "tasting" any new
wines for the holiday season, there was virtually no reason to stop by the shop
from Thanksgiving through New Years! It seems the concept of our
re-ordering wines already in the store, is a foreign one.
One rep, whom we had not seen in more than three weeks, finally stopped
by. She thanked us for making her "Sales Rep of the Year" for
two different items in her firm's portfolio.
We are amused by this, since she doesn't stop by with any regularity, nor does
she routinely bring in new wines for the staff to taste.
Apparently, she's not able to "connect the dots" and think to have
more floor-stacked items in our shop.
The same rep now has a rather good Champagne to sell. We've even purchased
some from her. She might make note on her calendar as to when New Year's
is celebrated, as the week before this rather active Champagne-selling date, the
rep neglected to call or stop by. We would have ordered a few boxes from
her had she done so.
Finally, her company gave the account to another, more capable sales rep.
Sales increased, too.
A couple of people showed up one day with a fellow from France looking to show
off some Bordeaux wines.
None of the three or four people ever bothered to check what wines we offered
from Bordeaux, so it wasn't important to them to note whether or not we might
even need something from their portfolio.
We tasted their wines and after the last one said "Look, we already have
plenty of wines from Bordeaux and these are more attractively priced than
They all departed and one of the local fellows ambled back in to say that we had
really angered the fellow from France who was showing his wines.
I pointed out that no one ever bothered to check to see what wines are already
in the store and at what price points.
"I already have those bases covered." I explained.
Five hours later the phone rang and it was that same guy calling to thank me.
"I told them what you said and so each place we visited afterwards, we
checked the displays or the wine list. The French fellow was able to say
to the wine director, 'Hey, I have a wine from this appellation which you don't
seem to have. Maybe you'd like to add this to your list?' And we
made a couple of new placements. Thank you for your suggestion. It
proved to be very helpful."
DON'T ASK THE CUSTOMER "WHAT'S NEW?"
You're the one who's there to sell!
What new items do you have to "Show & Tell"?
While a large number of places make buying decisions based upon numerical point
scores and reviews from various journals, it's certainly a good idea to pull the
cork on some bottles and show the buyer some new items. This allows
the buyer (who probably also works on the sales floor) to suggest a wine with
greater confidence having tasted it for himself or herself.
Some of the distributors have several thousand wines in their catalogues.
Others have but a hundred or so.
Yet we see many sales reps who show up "without a bat in their hands,"
yet they expect to take a few "swings." Pablo Sandoval doesn't come
to the plate empty-handed!
You ought to have a small "cellar" in your sales wagon, complete with
insulated cooler. If you don't bring in anything new to show, how do you
expect to make new placements???
Some of the distributors in California have thousands of
different wines to offer. One firm's rep arrives on
a weekly basis and yet almost never has even a single bottle to show. This
individual presumes I know everything in their portfolio and since I attend
their annual trade tasting, what more could I possibly be interested in? Even
though the catalogue is printed every month or two, showcasing NEW items, this
lady never thinks to bring bottles by the shop for "show &
tell." The same can be said for a fellow who works for a smaller
importer...they have new arrivals highlighted every MONTH in their price list,
but it's a rare day he even asks if we would like to have a look at anything
PRESENTING YOUR WARES
You ought to keep a detailed record of what items you
present to the buyer and what their reaction is to them.
Bring in a series of wines, but you ought to have a range of items that don't
compete with each other.
Open the bottles and do so neatly.
Don't leave a bunch of foil capsules on the table or counter!
I routinely have to clean up after sales reps...we were
shocked on day when a fellow neatly cut the foil tops and pocketed them.
Bob congratulated the fellow on being so professional. Few people think to
be so courteous.
Have a sniff of your wines to detect any corked or flawed bottles.
A wine marketing company rep arrived one day to show us some
new releases. We declared one bottle of their offerings to be
"corked" and flawed.
"Hey, someone else said exactly the same thing at our last stop!"
If your bottle is corked, please consider opening a second bottle.
Please consider bringing a set of back-up bottles if they're available...
Pour the wines in an order that gives you a chance to make a sale!
Most sales reps start with dry whites, moving towards sweeter whites...then to
light reds and, finally, heavy reds.
Sometimes you might benefit from pouring the reds before the whites (the whites
will taste more balanced after tannic, young reds).
Don't pour heavily-oaked reds before lightly-oaked or non-oaked reds.
It's best to "zig and zag" in terms of tasting order. This
concept is lost on most people, but:
If the wines you're presenting are in linear order, better to present them in
dry-to-sweet, light-to-heavy format.
But if you have a line-up of radically differently styled wines, each wine can
show well if you pour them in such a fashion as to have the greatest contrast of
style between each wine. Using this method, you would not, for example,
pour two heavily oaked wines back-to-back. You would, for example, pour a
non-oaked white, followed by an oaky white, followed by a non-oaked, more
intensely aromatic white. And then, perhaps, another wine with oak after
And a savvy buyer will then go back and re-taste, seeing if the wines show as
well tasted randomly.
And, please, refrain from using perfume, cologne or
aftershave....if your customers are going to swirl, sniff, sip & spit your
wares, they won't have a clear view of your products if you're smelling like the
perfume counter at Macy's.
((You wouldn't think this would be an issue, but it often is...and keep in mind,
if your clothes have been laundered in aromatic soap, they might 'smell'.
If you throw those 'fabric softener' sheets into the dryer, those will make your
clothes stink to high heaven with their fragrance, so don't use them!))
These days many reps will show their wines without having pulled the cork on
This is thanks to the device depicted above, a "Coravin."
It's a fancy and costly little gizmo which can be helpful to you.
It had a needle which pierces the cork and if you tip the bottle just so, it
dispenses a bit of wine and replaces it with an inert gas. This can allow
you to extend the life of a sample bottle so you don't need to open fresh
samples each day.
But please! The wine does change from the first day or two.
It will usually not be in tip-top condition a week after your first pour.
But keep this in mind: Most young, crisp white wines will still be in
pretty good shape a few days after opening. This device is likely
more helpful for red wines which can dramatically change with a day or two of
The little cartridges with the inert gas are costly, so please use them wisely.
We are amused when some reps (or their bosses) show up with
ten dollar bottles of wine and they spend $15 worth of gas to pour the sample.
On fellow brought in several bottles recently. All were
about half full and he was in our shop first thing in the morning.
None of the wines showed particularly well and a couple were clearly tired.
These had been opened for a day or two.
If your samples are not in tip-top condition and you think a capable
buyer/taster won't notice, you are making a mistake, wasting your time as well
as the customer's.
One fellow stopped by with 6 Italian reds. Two of the bottles were shot.
History. Gone. Bad. D-O-A.
We asked how recently he'd tapped into those.
It seems the first pour of each of those had been a month earlier.
This does a disservice to all: to the winery. To the
distributor. To the sales rep.
And to the prospective customers who now has a poor image of the wine.
Having now tasted numerous bottles of wines which have
been tapped with a Coravin, it is our view that this device may be helpful for a
day or two or three with some wines. But many are simply not in pristine
condition after a few days.
This could be because the bottle is only half full and the inert gas is simply
not effectively protecting the wine.
A sales rep arrived with four bottles of German Riesling.
Three bottles had corks and one was a screw-cap bottle.
We were amused when the fellow unscrewed the cap, replaced it with a special
adapter and then used the Coravin and its expensive gas to pour the wine.
Perhaps he could have simply poured the wine and we could have provided a bit of
argon gas from our tank to protect the wine?
It's often warm in our area. Showing the wines in a more pleasant
condition is a good idea.
Most reps have an insulated bag or ice chest in the trunk of their car.
Many have an insulated roller bag, too.
A lot of reps have those "blue ice" gizmos or frozen bottles of water
in their bags so they can show their wines at 'cellar temperature.'
We appreciate tasting some high alcohol (and low) red wines at a temperature
lower than ambient room temp.
Be sure not to have the samples too cold, lest the wines become "mute"
and don't show their fragrances and flavors.
Just remember to put these back in the freezer once you've finished you day and
take them out when you're off to the races.
(Put them in plastic bags so they don't sweat all over your samples and detract
from the appearance of your samples.)
We often see sales reps who arrive un-prepared!
BE SURE YOU HAVE A CORKSCREW!
(Kids these days refer to these as "wine keys")
BE SURE YOU HAVE YOUR SALES NOTEBOOK!!
BE SURE YOU HAVE A PRICE LIST !!!
(Many reps these days, present a one page document of the wines
they have in their bag with pricing information, the vintage date, name of the
wines, etc. Good idea.)
BE SURE YOU HAVE SOMETHING WITH WHICH TO WRITE DOWN THE ORDER !!!
One fellow has an inexpensive notebook, the kind you might see being used in a
This allows him to keep maybe a few weeks or a months' worth of orders and notes
QUESTION POSED BY THE BUYER
"How much is this wine?"
And you know, many sales reps don't know the answer to that simple question.
Why not take a moment and memorize the prices?
Why not place a sticker on each bottle with the price and quantity discounts?
Of course, California is the Wild, Wild West.
Here sales reps often have multiple sales "schemes" someone has
concocted under the guise of "marketing."
Some companies offer "combo" buys at special pricing (buy 1 case of
this and for a few bucks more, you'll get 3 bottles of that).
California still allows different prices for the same item, same quantity
depending upon whether the customer is an off-premise (store/internet retailer)
or on-premise (restaurant) account.
One rep had a Napa Merlot. $280/case to a store, while the winery was
willing to sell the same identical case to a restaurant account for $120!
(( The notion is the restaurant will have greater incentive to
offer such a wine, making a relative 'killing' by selling the wine for a huge
margin, whereas a store should be charged a higher price to keep them from
offering it to customers "too cheaply" and, thereby,
"tarnishing" the image of that brand. ))
A famous Cabernet producer offers its Alexander Valley bottling for $560 per
case on a small purchase, but if a store buys ten cases, they'll offer the wine
for $480/case. Some restaurant buyers have said they can purchase the same
wine for $450/case if they purchase two or three boxes.
One Napa vintner asks stores to pay $250/case for its California Chardonnay, but
restaurant accounts can get this wine for $180/case.
We're asked to pay $312/case for a famous Russian River Chardonnay, but our
friends in restaurants can buy the same wine for $216 per case. The same
vintner produces a Napa Cabernet. $408 for a store. The same wine
costs a restaurant $240 if they buy two boxes.
$576 for a box of single-vineyard Chardonnay from a so-called
"celebrity" winemaker to a shop. The same wine is offered to
restaurant accounts for $436/case.
A rep from a big drinks company came to show a set of maybe ten wines.
The first wine seemed to have a higher-than-normal wholesale price.
"We're repositioning the brand." she told us.
The previous vintage is selling to consumers for $16-$20 a bottle in chain
stores and the wholesale price to an independent shop was $24.
We explained that while we have a modest mark-up, we did not appreciate having
customers dial up the internet, see us offering their wine for maybe $32 while
another place has the wine for $16.
Finally we inquired as to the wholesale price for an "on premise"
((We do have an on-premise license by the way.))
It seems that $24 bottle for our account is sold to other accounts for all of
As a result we pulled the plug on tasting her wines since we are handicapped
with an artificially high wholesale price.
One fellow routinely is unprepared to make a sales
call. He rarely knows the prices of the four or five wines he is
presenting. We have politely suggested affixing a sticker to the bottles
with the pricing info and he routinely laughs at this suggestion. But this
fellow has misquoted pricing, causing us to send back wines because he did not
know the correct price!
One time he blew a sale because he incorrectly quoted a price (too high).
the staff had tasted and ruled out a wine as costing too much did he check to
see the wine could have been a floor-stacked item. But it was too late by
Some accounts love to hear the word "discount." We've often
thought the discounted price is what virtually all accounts pay, so we are most
interested to know "What's your best price and how do we arrive at
that?" But some stores and restaurants think a discount is something
nobody else gets, so they won't buy an item unless there is some sort of price
reduction. Even if they were offered Chateau Lafite Rothschild for $20 a
bottle, they wouldn't buy it. But they would buy it if told "It costs
$2400 a case but you get a hundred dollar discount for buying two cases."
A good sales rep should figure out who they're dealing with and how best to
present the wine and its pricing.
One good rep we know told us "I always tell my customers our best (lowest)
pricing. I sell more wine that way!"
A sales rep presented a line-up of wines. I valued one as worth stocking
should it retail for less than $40. The sales rep told me the wine
retailed for $50, so our staffers were not shown the wine. I asked if they
had a new sales catalogue, since I had not seen him in five weeks. He had
to run out to his car for a price list (why bring one with you, after
all??), After he departed, I perused the list and noticed the wine WAS
AVAILABLE FOR LESS THAN $40! I immediately phoned him and he told me he
had poured me the "new" $50 vintage. I asked him to stop the car
and have a look in his samples bag. Sure enough! He poured me the
previous vintage, the $37 Cabernet. He lost a sale because he did not pay
attention to details such as the correct price of his wares.
Imagine how embarrassed one might be at having to return to an account to tell
them the price you quoted them last week was wrong, the wine this vintage
costing 15% more.
Why this fellow is so sloppy about verifying the pricing information can only be
"He's a knucklehead."
A winery rep stopped by and presented her business card saying "I'll bet
you that you've never heard of our winery!" I looked at the card and
replied "You'd have lost that bet...I tasted your wines for the first time
about three years ago." She and the distributor sales guy adjourned
to the tasting room one busy morning. I had six wines to evaluate.
The first was a non-descript Sauvignon Blanc. After finding some character
in the second white wine I inquired as to its price.
"Oh, I can't quote prices." said the winery gal.
I questioned this and continued tasting, finally thanking them for coming.
"Well, what did you think?" she asked.
I explained I tasted wines professionally and that without knowing the prices,
how could I evaluate these for possible selection for the shop? I was
annoyed that no pricing information was offered, so I did not know if these were
five dollar bottles, ten dollar bottles, twenty dollar wines, or what.
Seeing I was a bit frustrated by her lack of cooperation, she finally blurted
out, to the penny, the wholesale bottle price of each wine.
Too late, though, as I would have preferred to know these as I was tasting to
see if anything, perhaps, would find a home in the shop. A couple of wines
were candidates, but got disqualified by a most silly and unprofessional winery
A rep we had not seen in 6+ months
stopped by with the marketing director of a California winery.
We had not had their wines in the shop in years.
The rep presented a price list and poured the range of wines.
I tasted through the portfolio and found a couple of items which might
I asked him to return the following week at a time when the crew would be here
and he did.
He showed them the identical price list I had seen on his earlier visit.
A wine wholesaling for $8 a bottle was of particular interest and I was ready to
order a number of cases to start a floor-stack display.
The crew liked the wine and they were enthusiastic for this.
But our enthusiasm waned immediately when the sales rep now quoted a price of
$10 per bottle.
Wait...it was $8 last week.
Wait, wait!! It was $8 two minutes ago.
"Oh, I made a mistake with that price list." he told us.
Really? You quote the wrong price when your riding with the winery
And you quote the same incorrect price on your next visit when you're showing
the wine to my colleagues?
Do you really think we're going to place an order?
Do you think we're going to find time to have you show us other wines?
Get a clue, please!!!
We had been selling a particular imported
white wine for more than a year and thought it would be a good idea to taste it
again before reordering it in case the wine was not as good as it had been.
Sure enough, the wine was a bit fatigued, so we did not order it.
Maybe 4 or 5 months later, the rep brought in the new vintage and it was good,
but not as distinctive as the previous bottling when it first arrived.
We asked for the price and we were told its frontline pricing with a 10%
discount as part of a 5 case purchase.
The previous vintage had a 20% discount on a three case "solid" buy.
She did not offer that price, but she asked for an order and we balked, saying
it now costs more than we think it should.
Only after a few more minutes of gymnastics did she reveal that they do
have a three case price which gets a 15% discount...not as deep of a discount as
previously, but deeper than the standard 10%.
We wondered why she was not working more diligently to make a sale.
As a result, disappointed that the rep was concealing the best price, we did not
order that wine.
Later...we mentioned this to a friend who works for the same company in a
different territory and he told us "I ALWAYS offer my customers the best
pricing. I sell more wine that way!"
Oh...and we also learned the "new" vintage arrived 5 months earlier,
well before we re-tasted the old vintage!
A fellow who works for a national importer paid us a visit after a long hiatus.
We asked when he was last in the shop and he was embarrassed to admit it had
been 5 years.
The fellow thanked us for supporting one of his wines and indicated that we are
the largest single account in the entire country for this expensive wine.
But over those past five years we have seen some local retailers selling some of
their wines for maybe a buck or two per bottle over our wholesale cost.
This guy never thought to inform us of their best pricing.
Later that day a customer arrived having been at a place in our town and heard
some people "smack talking" (as they described it) about our shop.
When the regular distributor rep came by two weeks later we inquired if they had
finished their day with that rep at a particular business in town.
Oh my...that individual was red-faced but said "I was defending you and
explained you simply are asking for a level playing field."
I took them at their word, but then they did not show up for a month...and then,
two months...and then three months.
We figured they were simply embarrassed and maybe they had not actually been
During that uncomfortable sales presentation we asked for pricing of a
particular item, knowing a buyer at a little place in the Bay Area had purchased
it for a greatly discounted price for just a dozen bottles. We were quoted
a price which was 30% higher.
The other day that buyer called to ask for some information about a wine and we
chatted about pricing for a few items.
I mentioned we were quoted $48 buying a single case, but they have a $45/bottle
price on 5 cases or $43 on a ten case buy.
Our friend said he bought 3 boxes recently and paid $35 per bottle.
A customer sent a snapshot of a bottle she enjoyed
with friends and asked if the wine was currently available and what it might
Seeing the name of the importer on the bottle, we knew who to ask.
We sent that rep the photo of the bottle with the name of the wine in the
subject line of the email.
"Might you have this and, if so, what does it cost, please? Also,
send along the current price list."
The response was "I don't have it, but I'm really liking the label."
No price list accompanied this missive.
We then asked if she might know who sells that wine here in the Bay Area.
And no price list.
As we are prone to being a bit sarcastic, we then asked if she was still
"actively working" for that importer and, oh, by the way, please send
along the price books for both the companies you represent.
The response was "You are so silly, you just saw me last week when we
tasted some wines" and placed an order.
The price lists were then finally sent.
The winery which produced the wine in question was listed in the previous book
she'd sent us 5 months earlier.
The wine we'd been asking about WAS listed in her current price list!
So we chided her for not being more helpful:
know, I have asked about a particular wine in hopes of helping a customer and
making a sale.
You have not been helpful in sourcing the wine.
I'd like to buy more wine from you, but have gotten little assistance from you,
even when asking a second or third time.
A few months ago, for example, you brought in a wine and I asked you at least
half a dozen times for best pricing...and only after asking again and again did
you finally tell me "there's a 15% discount on three cases" after
repeatedly telling me the best discount was 10% as part of a five case buy.
I will peruse the current book and present you with a list of wines we want to
taste in hopes of finding some new items for the shop.
One of those items I will request (again) is the
wine in the subject line of the past handful of emails.
Perhaps you will be able to show it to us???
It's a bit of a partnership and we are happy to discover good, interesting wines
which are distinctive and which are well-priced for their quality (not merely
inexpensive)...a $600/case of wine can be well-priced if the wine is seriously
then wrote back, apologizing, not realizing, she said, there was a new addition
in their book from the importer.
But remember: that winery had been listed in the price list we received from the
first month of the year.
Then, having been taken to task for not being more helpful, she said she would
ask the boss to reassign the account to another rep since we are unhappy with
her (less-than-helpful) service.
By the way, it's a small company and there are no reps in the area other than
We responded with a note saying "I am UNHAPPY with you when you're not
helping us sell your wines. You CAN do better and SHOULD do better.
Please consider remaining our rep from this company."
There was no response to this invitation.
But two weeks later the phone rang and it was this same sales rep identifying
herself as being from one of the distribution companies, but not the other.
She asked if we needed to restock any of the wines from her "other"
"Say, I noticed you did not identify yourself as being from your main
"Yes, that's correct. I've asked them to reassign your account.
You know, my mother taught me you get more flies with honey than with
vinegar. And I've had enough of your vinegar!"
So she is apparently still willing to represent one of her distributors, but not
Frankly, we are at a loss to comprehend this rationale, but it does make for a
remarkable story, doesn't it?
ASK FOR THE SALE !!!
Most sales reps have not been trained to "make"
Most are merely "order takers." Lots of reps arrive in a store
to ask the buyer, "How's your XYZ Chardonnay?" And, in this day
of computerized inventories, many of the "sales calls" made by reps
entails their transcribing a recitation of product codes and quantities.
Being "pro active" and "making a sale" are far from what
these people actually do!
Take the road blocks out of the way!
A good sales rep might show a buyer some wines and then ask which ones are
appealing enough for them to buy. The attentive rep will have his or her
ears open to objections voiced by the would-be buyer and will work to overcome
these road blocks.
And just because the buyer didn't pull the trigger right then and there does not
mean they have no use for your product.
We often taste wines which are suitable for sale in our shop, but we may not
have a display space open at that very moment. I have saved empty bottles
of things we've tasted with the intention of buying them. But most sales
reps figure their moment of opportunity is open on their schedule, not the
store's! This is another reason to make regular appearances in a
shop. You'll want to "get in the loop" of sales. Who
knows? You might just show up when they're sold out of a product similar
to the one you pitched them on a few weeks before!
That's why you'll want to keep a notebook with information regarding previous
We attended a "trade tasting" and even saw the fellow who is the sales
rep for our account. There were a number of wines we felt were worthy of
purchase and we made a list of these as we reviewed the wines we tasted.
The tasting was held on a Thursday. The sales rep neglected to
follow up the day after the tasting and we figured we'd hear from him by Monday
or Tuesday, at the latest. As I write this, it's two full weeks since that
event and we have not heard a peep from the salesman. Meanwhile, we've
written our summer wine-letter and included, of course, none of his wines.
In this instance, the rep must be independently wealthy to be able to ignore an
eager and serious wine buyer for such a long period of time. Remember the old adage:
"Out of sight, out of mind." And in this case, to describe the
sales rep: "Out of his mind." Or "lazy." Take
We recently had a visit from a small company. I
didn't notice if their pants were on fire, frankly, since I was paying more
attention to the five or six wines they'd brought in for us to sample. My
two associates were busy tasting and I had finished, having gone to check a
tasting note from a recent trip to Europe. I was assisting a customer and
the two fellows visiting us were intent on heading out the door. I looked
at them and waved as they sauntered out, presumably to douse the invisible
flames burning their trousers. Neither one was patient enough to wait
until I was finished handing a customer some change and his bottle of wine, so
they missed my ordering $600\+ worth of wine from them!
PLACE THE ORDER IMMEDIATELY !!!
We think it's usually a good idea to write down the
customer's order. Not every sales rep does this, but it sure is easier to
get the order to the customer if you recall exactly what they ordered and any
special delivery instructions.
One sales rep became angry with us when we called her,
seven weeks after placing an order which never showed up. She asked why we
hadn't contacted her sooner and we explained the order was entirely items we
like, but items that customers don't ask for every day. We suggested she
stop by more regularly, perhaps every two weeks. She bluntly told us
"I don't call on my big accounts but once a month." Not
surprisingly, her firm (she's a co-owner) has lost many brands the past few years. A former restaurant buyer told us he had guaranteed this
sales lady a 5 case order each visit if she would stop by on a weekly
basis. She would not, much to his amazement.
One local rep works for a modest-sized importer of Italian and Austrian
wines. We were delighted to know she's able to get for us wines from some
friends in Italy. The local humungous distributor isn't willing to stock
these esoteric wines, but they are delighted to have them special ordered, hit
the warehouse and then be shipped immediately to us. We placed an order
and the wines arrived, no problem. We re-ordered a month or so
later. We were told these would arrive in three weeks. After seven
weeks, we sent her a note inquiring if this wine would be arriving sometime
soon. It seems the wine HAS been at the warehouse, but since I am unaware
of it being there, I've relied upon the importer's representative to either send
the wine or tell me "It's here!"
It seems she's been relying on one of the people at this distributor to keep
constantly checking on the arrival of this product.
The woman then sent me this lovely note:
much as I would love to put orders in for all accounts in California, my job
responsibility does not allow me to. I can certainly get the order in from
Chicago but the distributor is responsible there after. if you are not getting
satisfactory service from this firm, I suggest you take it up with their
I believe this is what's called
"passing the buck."
The same lady hosted a wine tasting during the summer. She solicited
orders from customers for some of the wines featured at the tasting. We
ordered six or seven different wines. By the end of the year these wines
still have not been shipped to us. We know they are sitting in the
warehouse. But, since this sales rep can't be bothered to be certain the
wines are shipped from the distributor to the customer, it seems these boxes
will remain in custody of the delivery firm.
Now...many years later, we can tell you that import company essentially went out
of business. Someone bought the company and they've not been much of an
important player ever since.
This is not much of a surprise.
STOP BY, DON'T PHONE
(Phone, Don't Stop By)
It's very difficult to "taste" and
"evaluate" wines over the phone, so we think an in-person sales call
is best. Further, this allows the sales rep to bring in bottles to taste
and they can have a look around the shop to see what's sold.
Some lazy reps think calling on the phone is sufficient in making a sales
call. They should keep in mind the buyer may be occupied with other sales
reps, or better yet, customers!
And some sales reps will sit in their office playing "dialing for
dollars." If you have something urgent or can save the account some
money (or make them some money), then you might phone to have a word with the
buyer. But if your calls are bothersome or unnecessary, then the buyer may
be "unavailable" when you call in the future.
And please don't "count" a phone conversation as an official sales call!
It's not the same as visiting the store in person. Some distributor bosses
call this "face time." They prefer their sales crew see buyers
"face to face."
In speaking with other buyers---some tell me they actually prefer to NOT see
sales reps on a frequent basis. You need to figure out which buyers are
going to pick up the phone and call you and which ones require an
"in-the-flesh" sales visit.
I routinely get sales calls from a couple of reps (in
particular) who have nothing to do on Fridays, the busiest day of the week in
our shop. The net effect is, instead of the rep politely waiting their
"turn," they barge in by phone.
WHEN YOU'RE WAITING TO SEE THE BUYER, SPEND YOUR TIME
We notice many sales reps who are waiting for their moment
with the buyer will immediately strike up a conversation with other sales
reps. This is time that could best be spent trying to make a sale.
When you're chatting with other reps in a shop, that's time you could have spent
poking around and surveying the bins, racks and displays to see if your
merchandise is in need of a re-order. Though I have our inventory on the
computer, we may have neglected to display some of your merchandise. If it
doesn't come up on my suggested purchase order, I'm not likely to order
more. If we don't have it displayed, for example, it's not likely to sell
and it's probably not going to pop up as an item to re-order since we're not
doing a good job of exposing the wine to our customers. You can help by
seeing that your products are available for sale.
A successful sales rep told me he often "networks" with other reps
while waiting to see the buyer. He says this is helpful in learning what's
going on at some accounts, for example. He might get a tip that a
particular account is looking for a certain type of wine which he might
have. Or that the buyer from a particular restaurant is no longer at that
establishment, but has surfaced at another place.
Further, when actual paying customers hit the front door of a shop and see a
bunch of sales reps standing around, arms folded while they're
"waiting", those folks often turn on their heels and head out the
door. They don't know you're a sales rep and are there to sell. You
look like a customer who's waiting impatiently. That means they will be
waiting even longer. And many customers have less patience than wine sales
You may have seen the mention of a sales rep we first met while she was playing
with the Lego's set out for little kids to play with while Mom & Dad are
looking at wines. Needless to say, this doesn't make for a particularly
positive impression with staffers or the buyer!
A sales rep had a "ride with"
who patiently stood by as we conducted out business. It was a lengthy
order and the fellow had to wait a half hour, or so, before we were ready to
hear his sales pitch.
When he was "up to bat" it turned out he'd left the bottles to be
tasted out in the car...so the regular sales rep and I waited a couple of
minutes for this fellow to go to his vehicle and retrieve his bottles...
And when he returned he could find only one of the two "important"
bottles he was intending to show!
The moral of that story: Check your bag BEFORE you leave the house!
And when ordering samples of a new vintage, please check to see the company sent
you the new vintage.
I can't tell you how often they'll send you the last bottles of the old,
ANTAGONIZING THE BUYER USUALLY ISN'T A GOOD IDEA
One sales rep told us "You just don't want to buy
wine from me!" We explained that wasn't true, we DID want to buy wine
from her. Unfortunately, many of the wines we wanted to buy were allocated
to other customers.
She told us "You're
a cherry picker!"
We explained we HAD purchased a couple of non "cherry picker" wines.
She responded "Well, those are good wines and good values."
"Bingo!" we exclaimed. "Yes, good wine and good
value. That is why our customers come to shop in our store."
Every buyer is a "cherry picker." Most are looking for wines
they think will make their customers happy enough to return for more bottles.
One firm is of a mind that allowing customers to taste their wines is not a good
idea. They believe selling wine is "all about
relationships." This outfit does not print a price list. Not
even a list of wines they have to sell is available. Nor is a listing of
what brands they represent!
We made the grave mistake of trying to learn what they actually have to
sell. In doing so, we deeply offended the sales representative by sending
a note to one of their wineries which stated "Maybe you find it curious
that your importer prefers your customers to guess what wines of your they may
have for sale, rather than presenting them a list of your products."
Unfortunately, the winery shared this with the importer who called us up to say
he'd never, ever, never, ever sell us another bottle of wine as long as he lived
(and then he slammed the phone down!).
We placed an order with the area manager who was standing in for the
vacationing sales rep.
We asked for two cases of Domaine XYZ's Chardonnay.
"You and everybody else wants that wine. Sorry...no can do." she
We have had Domaine XYZ's wine in the shop, a modest quality $19.99 bottle of
wine. When we explained how we like to be able to accommodate our
customers, rather than have to send them elsewhere, this young lady told us:
"Well, the good news is they're not going to find it anywhere else."
I found it that evening while grocery shopping, a three case floorstack being
prominently displayed not far from the lemons and grapefruits!
The next day, having replaced a display with another firm's product of similar
quality, the manager returned to announce:
"Good News! We have five cases of XYZ's wine for you!!!"
Of course, what this person should have said at the outset was "Let me
check on the availability of that for you" rather than her arrogant
"Get in line with the rest of the world, buddy!" statement.
A post-script: This, apparently, was not an isolated instance and her firm fired
her several weeks afterwards.
She did find a new position with a small Napa vintner. It will be
interesting to see how long she hangs on to that job. We wish her well, of
Addendum: The answer to the previous question is "less than a
A winery rep stopped by, at our request. We tasted the new releases and
inquired about a case of their Cabernet in magnum-sized bottles.
"Oh, we have only 50 cases for Northern California," she
explained. "Five are for charities and the other 45 are for good
customers, so I'll have to see if I can get you a case."
This same rep handed me her business card and said "Now, here's my
card. Please don't call me more than once a quarter."
She did not last more than a year with the winery, by the way.
One sales rep works for a company with a particularly rare wine. We've
usually been graced with the opportunity to buy some of these wines.
For one reason or another, last November we were not "privileged."
I asked the fellow about the new release and he hemmed and hawed.
Knowing he's not gone to bat for us, he has simply stopped showing up.
We even called to ask if we were invited to his company's tasting recently and
he returned the call saying "Please come." And we did.
Tasted a number of wines we liked.
But as I write this, two weeks precisely AFTER the tasting, this fellow has
still not stopped by to see if he can make a sale.
I am unaware of his having won a million bucks in the lottery.
We had purchased 84 bottles of a Rosso di Montalcino from the
cooties-stricken 2002 vintage. The winery made a sensational wine and we
have been suggesting it to our customers. I noticed the same producer's
1999 Brunello was in the distributor/importer's catalogue. I politely
inquired if we might have a taste of this wine, as it was likely to be something
The sales rep explained the firm does have the 1999 in stock, but won't sell it
until the 1998 is depleted (we have not been, as sales reps like to say
"tasted on" this wine). And sales of the 1999 are tied directly
to the purchase of 1998 Brunello.
"But we have bought 7 cases of this winery's Rosso." I replied.
"Sorry. You have to buy the 1998 to get the 1999."
I called the winery in Italy. The person I spoke with was dismayed to hear
this, thinking someone who had bought all that Rosso was practically a family
We suspect he contacted the importer as shortly after we were "privileged" to taste both the 1998 and 1999
vintages and purchased both!
The "import specialist" accompanied the sales rep to inform us we
would be the very first to taste that 1999.
She made it clear that they had the idea of tying the sale of the 1999 to
purchases of the 1998.
When we explained we had not ever tasted the 1998, the import specialist was
visibly shaken as she had been led to believe we were merely cherry-pickers.
Nearly a year after the wine arrived, the
distributor's import specialist AGAIN brought by the hard-to-get 1999 vintage
because it's not selling and they need to move this bit of inventory!
A few years later, the import specialist was working for another company and was
pouring a Brunello.
We teasingly asked her for a taste of the winery she used to represent with her
She was initially perplexed, not recognizing us.
We reminded her of that uncomfortable sales presentation and she said "Good
god! I couldn't wait to get the FUCK out of that job with that
And we both had a good laugh.
We ordered a case of Champagne from a rep from a large firm. The wine did
not come with our order the following day. I called to ask if we would be
getting this any time soon, since it was, after all, the weekend before
Christmas and people like to buy this famous bubbly. He told us the
product code given to him by the company was incorrect and we'd have to wait
until the following week to receive some. Interestingly, the fellow also
told me he was delayed by a three hour line at "will call" at his
warehouse. I asked him why he didn't consider "will
calling" a case of this for us since he was already working to put out
"Listen," he told me, "I don't have time to listen to your
diatribe. Do you want me to find you some bottles for the weekend, or
My response was "Yes...that is precisely why I ordered a case of Champagne
from you in the first place!"
A while later the fellow calls from a store saying they will let me have a few
bottles for a price that's higher than we retail it for...plus the sales tax!
A customer called asking for a wine
which, coincidentally, has the family's name on the label. I called the
local distributor to see if this wine might be available. I was told it
was scarce but he could probably get me a case. The wine, with a suggested
retail price of about $55 a bottle, had recently be reviewed favorably in some
wine journal. The customer was happy to buy the wine, good review or not,
on the basis of the name of the wine.
A while after placing the order, I got a call from the big muckety muck who,
very pleased with the point score, told me the wine was "strictly
allocated" and what precious little inventory he had would be sold to
customers who were placing large orders for wines throughout the
portfolio. I was annoyed at having to now call the customer with the bad
news. The muckety muck called back a while later, further explaining the
scarcity of the wine and how, undoubtedly, with a 93 point rating, the whole
world would be clamoring for bottles of this sensational wine. He hoped he
and his associate could bring in samples of other wines so we might become the
sort of customer worthy of "rewarding" with such note-worthy
wines. In the meantime, he'd sent the customer an e-mail (they had made an
inquiry with the import company through its web site) and passed along the name
of a shop 400 miles away which did have the wine and indicating the chance of
our receiving this wine was pretty much "slim and none."
Of course, the whole incident would have been avoided had the local fellow
simply said "Let me check the availability for you." ((We have
purchased dozens of cases of a modestly-priced wine and have had more than 6 or
8 wines from this firm over the past year, so we are not totally unknown to this
The customer was really steamed and sent missives to the importer's
headquarters, amongst others. The following day we received a call from
the muckety muck saying just to get the customer off his back he would sell us a
case of the wine in question and "we'll never hear from them
again." I reminded him that next year, should the wine have an
80-point rating, it will still have the customer's name on it and they might
want a box of this again next year when none of the point monkeys are
interested. This slightly long-term view of customer service was clearly
lost on poor Mister Muckety Muck.
An e-mail came through with a query about a particular Napa Cabernet.
It was curious in that the name of the sender on the e-mail was different from
how the fellow "signed" the e-mail at the conclusion of his inquiry.
I researched the wine and found that the name on the e-mail was the same as that
of the owner of this brand of wine.
I sent a query to the winery web site and got a response with pricing.
Now I sent pricing information with ridiculously low prices back to the same
fellow at his other e-mail address, deleting the name so he might not see his
error in trying to sandbag an account by creating the appearance of a demand for
his own wine.
The response from the supposed "customer" said he had to "check
with his wife" regarding buying the wine.
We never heard from the fellow, since why would he want to purchase his own
But if you think I'm going to be interested to buy this guy's wine and suggest
it to customers, you'd better think again.
We asked a rep from a big liquor-centric distributor how a competitor could be
selling a certain item for $39.99 per bottle when their price list shows the
lowest price for that product at $39.50 as the wholesale price.
He sent along an unpublished pricing schedule for that portfolio showing a $32
bottle price for a large quantity purchase.
He also included the self-aggrandizing note "I hope you appreciate the
extra legwork I've done in getting you this pricing information."
We view this sort of information as a regular part of the job, not as someone
going above and beyond the call of duty.
This fellow is a slacker, making sporadic sales calls when he is supposed to
visit every week (for example).
We asked for a sample of a new vintage of one of his wines which we have
floor-stacked and after three weeks of him telling us he will soon be bringing
that bottle, he arrived with the same vintage that's in the shop.
He was angry with us for taking issue with this, saying "You don't
understand. I did my job in bringing you a sample..."
We had asked about contacting an importer whose wines they have...we were trying
to access more of an item we had been buying but which was out of stock.
We did not receive a response on this and were able to contact the importer rep
over the weekend who said he'd have 5 more cases of this wine transferred to the
local warehouse for delivery. The sales rep who neglected to get us the
contact info was unaware of our being in touch with the importer rep and he sent
a note the following week taking credit for having five boxes of wine coming to
the local warehouse...he wants us to think he did "extra legwork,"
As a result, we are not looking to reward this rep with additional placements
unless a wine is absolutely drop-dead gorgeous.
The same fellow showed up with his samples bag wanting us to taste a few wines.
Normally we'd have been delighted to taste those bottles, several of which we
But this fellow brought these bottles to taste just two days prior to Christmas
Day, the busiest week of the year.
He was quite angry that we would not refrain from taking care of our customers
to taste his wares.
"You asked to taste these!" he barked at us.
"Yes, but we'd like to taste them when we have time to evaluate those
wines, not during the frantic rush of Christmas two days from now!"
This fellow then sent us a note a week later, ostensibly thanking us for our
business and informing us the company was shuffling its sales reps and we would
soon have a new representative calling on us.
A few years later, we still see his name associated with our account, so we
suspect he may still get a commission from sales to us.
DON'T TAKE "NO" PERSONALLY.
You didn't make the wine, did you?
Sometimes the buyer or staffers simply don't find the
nectar you've poured for them to be ambrosia.
Please don't take it personally if the account doesn't buy your wine.
Even if YOU DID MAKE THE WINE.
Some establishments don't buy because they're over-extended, have too much
inventory or the buyer knows their customers are not looking for your particular
wine. Or the wine costs too much. Sometimes the wines cost too
little. Sometimes the wines are too well known, while other times they're
not famous enough.
We have a reputation for being a "difficult"
account. We're not difficult, at all. We KNOW what we're looking
And we're honest about our appraisal of the wines we taste.
One Napa winery owner introduced us to her spouse saying "I had my shortest
and most efficient sales call with Gerald." It seems we told her the
wine was not much to our taste, especially for the ridiculously high price they
offered it for. She explained that most accounts simply say "Oh, I
don't have room right now, but why don't you call me in a couple of
weeks?" She does. And they say "Oh, I don't have room at
the moment, but why not call back next month?" She does. The
point being these "nice" people have her spending her time and money
on phone calls and they have virtually no intention of buying her wine,
either. We simply told her our reaction to her wine.
The rep from a winery whose products are often seen in chain accounts, featured
at prices close to wholesale and 10-15%, decided to take a whack at showing us
their wines. They chose to bring by a handful of offerings less
well-distributed. Unfortunately we don't have much of a market for vegetal
red wines or a $20 Zin which wholesales for $25. I'm afraid I was
distracted by something called a "customer" and their presentation
came to a quick conclusion (I had tasted everything on the table). They
dashed out of the store with their distributor's rep instead of waiting for me
to assist someone in the shop. Oh well...sorry if I offended you by not
telling my customer to please wait...
Having called on our account for half a year, a sales rep from a large,
liquor-oriented firm kept bringing in wines more suitable for sale at a
convenience store such as 7-11. We finally asked him politely if he didn't
have some products in his portfolio "which won't ruin our reputation as
fine wine merchants."
Of course, this might be interpreted as the customer being snarky, but we are
aware that many reps simply drag in samples of products which are quota items or
Might we suggest that if this is the case, it might be a good idea for the rep
to open a few non-quota items so they have a small chance of selling something?
Having a number of reps waiting to show some wines, a fellow from a large
distributor ambled in and, in the interest of not wasting his time, we asked
what wines he was showing.
When we heard the names of the wines, we said we were not terribly interested in
their "focus items" or quota bottlings.
He insisted we taste these and once back in our tasting area he roared at me
that "I wound NEVER bring you quota items!"
His company has a marvelous portfolio and we have other renditions of those
Italian wines from his catalogue made by good, smaller artisan producers.
Bottom line on this is don't bullshit a savvy customer.
IF THERE'S A WINE-TASTING,
WHY NOT TELL YOUR CUSTOMERS?
Here's a no-brainer: If your company is renting a
site, bringing wines or suppliers to this location to show customers a bunch of
wines, why not be sure to invite accounts who are likely to pay dividends?
It's a good idea to present the buyer with some sort of invitation or written
reminder of the event. But this is not enough! You should call the
buyer a day or two before the tasting to remind them again. Remember,
they're busy and don't always have time to focus on your pet projects. A
gentle nudge is often a good idea!
A sales rep called to ask if we'd be in the shop later
that afternoon. Where else would we be? Well, we might be at a
tasting of Bordeaux wines being shown for several hours by a prominent
competitor. We called that firm's sales rep, who had just been in the shop
an hour before! We inquired about this tasting and were told "Oh, sh*t!
Yeah, we've having a tasting of 2000 Bordeaux. I can't go. You might
want to go, though. It starts right about now..."
Another sales rep had been on vacation for a couple of weeks. When he
returned he asked if we found any new wines at his company's tasting the week
before. Since we we're only at that moment learning about this event, of
course we did not make any new discoveries. We asked him how we were
supposed to know about this event, since he had not informed nor invited us to
this event. "I thought you knew." he said.
Meanwhile, participating vendors were charged hundreds of dollars for the privilege of pouring
their wines (this person had $1400 worth of samples open) at an event to which many customers were not invited!
A big-wig with this firm with whom we spoke said they attributed the small
attendance to Mr. Bush's war in Iraq.
One large firm had organized a lovely tasting with a particular theme of
wines. In fact, some dear friends of mine were to be participating in this
tasting. I knew my friends were coming to San Francisco on their way for a
vacation in Hawaii, but I knew nothing of their trade tasting until 48 hours
prior to the event. There were two other trade tastings that day and Mrs.
Winemaker and I went to these, asking prominent retail and restaurant folks if
they were going to this third tasting that afternoon. None of them had
been invited and none had, as a result, planned to devote time to
attending. We arrived and noticed a couple of sales reps frantically
phoning nearby customers, hoping to cajole them into coming. One of the
organizers of the event later told me he was thrilled by the attendance.
"We had 200 people come!" But despite a strong sales day, it
didn't really bother this fellow that a significant percentage of the crowd were
people associated with the distributor, not customers. I would be
concerned when I see more people from the sales firm than customers of this
One firm scheduled a tasting of both its wine and spirit portfolios. As
this particular firm is skittish about giving its customers a price list (go
figure), I am not well-versed as to their current offerings. Being a very
small account for this distributor, I felt attending their trade tasting would
be a good idea as I could determine if they had products of interest to our
customers. The event was held on a day when I would normally be working by
myself and so I asked a colleague to kindly come in on her day off to
work. She did and I drove for an hour to the tasting location. The
event was to take place in a small hotel in the South Bay. Curiously,
there was plenty of parking and this only made sense a few moments later when I
asked the desk clerk where the wine-tasting was being held. "What
wine tasting?" he asked. I showed him the tasting announcement with
his hotel's name and address on it. Befuddled, he called around..."We
don't know of a tasting here, sir." In the meantime, I phoned the
distributor. The receptionist was clueless, but directed my call to
someone who might know.
This individual cheerfully told me "Oh, we postponed the tasting.
It's in two weeks. Would you like me to connect you with your sales
She did and he was most stunned that we had not received some sort of
announcement about the new tasting date. My colleague was displeased with
this news, pointing out this rep had been in the shop just a week earlier and
said NOTHING about the new tasting date.
I sent the firm a polite e-mail suggesting each and every rep be sure to contact
each and every account that had received an invitation to preclude this sort of
calamity. My message, though polite in tone, did not merit a response
apparently as I never did receive any sort of acknowledgement to my suggestion.
you're lucky enough to have a vacation (or have a "road trip" to visit
wineries), please alert your customers that you're going to be away.
Otherwise, if you've been gone for some time frame and have missed a sales call
or two, the buyer will think you're unreliable.
We had asked a rep to please stop by
more frequently (like every two weeks) so we could buy more wine from her.
After making this request, we then did not see her for three or four weeks.
When she finally visited us, we asked where she's been and how often she will
call on our account.
She then revealed that she'd been on vacation for two weeks.
We asked how we would know this. Had we missed an email message announcing
her being away?
"If you had sent me an email, a vacation message would bounce back."
You're making it the customer's job to find out you're away?
That adds to your sketchy reputation for reliability, doesn't it?
Planning ahead is a good idea.
If you have merchandise which is appropriate for a particular time of the year,
season or holiday, why not present it?
Our shop carries some wines all year long, but which might be a good impulse
item on the counter if we had a gentle reminder to be sure we have sufficient
stock. There's a German white wine with a black cat on the label which is
a good item for Halloween. So's the "Vampire" label of wines
from Transylvania (the wines are decently made, not exceptional and not
How about mentioning or showing the cru Beaujolais of "St. Amour"
before Valentine's Day?
The same time is also a good opportunity to sell Rosé Champagnes.
If you have some Kosher wines in your portfolio, why note plan on presenting
them to accounts a month, or so, prior to Passover?
But another facet of holidays is that they mess up normal delivery schedules.
Some distributors, which generally deliver Tuesdays through Fridays, often
schedule Monday deliveries when it's Thanksgiving on Thursday and a short
week. I'm surprised that some of the reps for large companies don't know
their trucks are available to bring merchandise to customers on a Monday if
they'll order on Friday before "cut off."
If you have information that may be helpful to your customers, why not drop them
an e-mail, reminding them of your available delivery times???
This may save you from having to make those painful "will calls" to
put out a fire.
Some sales reps
seem to believe if there's a holiday such as Thanksgiving the week they're
supposed to make a sales call, oh well, too bad.
Wouldn't you think it might be a good idea to contact a buyer the week before
that holiday to see if they need anything.
You might send an email saying "I should see you next week, but it's a
major holiday and I can't make it by this week...Is there anything you need to
carry you through the big day?"
Instead, apparently, they think they get a pass and don't have to show up.
Are these people paid on a commission basis, or what?
IS YOUR WINE-TASTING A SALES EVENT, OR WHAT?
know some competitors who won't attend certain trade events, saying "Why
should I attend? They show me their wines and then won't sell them to
We view these sorts of functions as an opportunity to taste, evaluate and BUY
If some wineries have sales policies such as "We only sell to
restaurants," perhaps this should be noted on their tasting roster or
booklet handed out to all attendees.
Or a sign on the tasting table of such a winery reading:
"THIS GUY ONLY SELLS TO RESTAURANTS BECAUSE HE WANTS HIS WINE PAIRED WITH
...Not a can of Chef-Boy-Ar-Dee Spaghettio's like your customers serve!"
Or a sign such as:
"THIS WINERY SOLD YOU WINE LAST YEAR, BUT NOW THAT YOU'VE HELPED CREATE
SOME DEMAND FOR THE PRODUCT, HE WILL BY-PASS YOU IN FAVOR OF HIS MAILING LIST
SINCE YOUR CUSTOMERS HAVE CONTACTED HIM DIRECTLY."
I discovered a few new wines at a recent tasting and the sales rep told me to
please contact the head honcho of the firm, since she was "tired" of
asking. We wrote a note, receiving word back that one of the producers
made 35% less wine.
A call to said winery found that, actually, they had made but 700 cases of wine
this year, while the first vintage saw a total of 789 being made.
On the other hand, they augmented those 700 with a new bottling of 300 cases.
I don't know about your calculator, but 1,000 cases compared to 789 is not a 35%
reduction on mine!
I did receive a lovely letter from the Head Honcho:
"Believe it or not, it is not all about selling.
It is about discovering and educating our customers to our entire portfolio. "
"The wineries you are talking about are
VERY SMALL production wineries. Let's face it, they don't need to sell any wine
at all in the retail world.."
Why not have all these "special,"
hard-to-get wineries in one area? Or, at the very minimum, please note on
the tasting sheets which wineries are there to actively sell and promote their
products and which ones are there exclusively for "education."
The sales rep for one firm asked me what wines I thought might be appropriate
for the shop after their tasting.
I gave her a list, by e-mail, of about 5 or 6 wines from the tasting, saying I
wanted the staff to have a look at these so we could select and purchase some of
them. Two weeks after the tasting, she still had not stopped by the store
to show these wines. Three weeks after the tasting she couldn't come by
because it was "Election Day."
I don't know if she was voting in
Florida or Ohio.
Four weeks after the tasting she finally stopped by, but had just two
wines. Neither was on my list of possible candidates for the shop.
Five weeks following the tasting we had the start of the holiday season for the
end of the year, meaning we will not be stocking her wines AT ALL, this
year. This is a sad waste of time, for she should have taken my list of
wines and brought them by to show the crew.
attended a tasting event of a small brokerage or distributorship featuring many
seriously expensive wines.
There were 70-80 tables with each producer or sales rep pouring three to five
That means there were perhaps 250+ wines being shown, yet the company allotted
just three hours for this event.
Do the math: 250 wines in 180 minutes.
We arrived in time to start, but the venue did not have much parking, so we lost
20 minutes finding a parking space.
We tasted maybe 160-200 wines and found a few of these to be of interest.
We figured we would order a few of these. The wines are so precious, aside
from retailing for $200-$250 a bottle, they come in boxes of three bottles.
We placed an order for a few of these.
The rep informed us "You have to be an existing customer to buy wine from
We had purchased the 2012 but missed the 2013 as the company did not have a rep
devoted to our account that year. "Sorry, you can't have the new
We wanted to buy a three-pack of another highfalutin wine so we ordered the
"Sorry, you cannot buy the 2014 without buying the 2013."
It ended up being a waste of time, attending a trade tasting where wine
producers were showing wines they allegedly had for sale.
In fact, they were merely taunting potential buyers, picking and choosing which
potential customers were "worthy" of throwing hundred dollar bills at
Many of these brands are owned by wealthy people who made their fortunes in
They live in a different world and apparently have enough moneyed friends who
can buy these wines so they really don't need customers and/or ambassadors.
For many sales reps, "ride withs" are a major
pain in the neck. A "ride with" is when someone from a winery or
sales company asks to accompany you on a tour of potential customers. This
usually means you're expected to spend your day focusing on their line of
We often hear from sales reps that this sort of a day is usually not especially
productive. But we think this sort of excursion can be incorporated into
one's regular sales call.
Why not explain you'd love to introduce said "ride with" to your
accounts, "but please understand I still have to conduct my regular
business." This tips off the "ride with" that you're a
professional sales person and have "work" to do. You might ask
the "ride with" what wines they'll be bringing and if they wouldn't
mind putting together a pricing sheet of these products for your customers (and
one for you). You might ask them if there's any special pricing promotions
they're featuring and to note these on the sales sheet.
Some "ride withs" are very professional, knowing about their products,
their pricing and how to engage your customers in meaningful conversation.
I would suggest you brief this individual as to the sales history of each
account you're calling on.
Or consider sending them a list of your planned itinerary on the appointed
day. Some of the brighter lights will take this information and have a
quick look on the internet to see what sort of prospects they might have with
the various accounts you plan to visit.
It may be difficult to explain to your "ride with" that not every
account is going to be interested in their lovely wines.
Given that the number of "corked" or flawed bottles is on the rise,
you might suggest they bring a back up bottle of each wine they'd like to show
your customers. Having the bottles chilled to the right temperature is a
good idea, too.
Though we have a small collection of memorabilia, I'm surprised more reps don't
bring poster-sized labels to tack up in the shop, corkscrews for the sales staff
and other little reminders (or "thank you's") to keep their name on
the minds of the buyer and, more importantly, the "sellers" of their
Former Winery Ambassador Rebecca Chapa posted a wonderful essay commenting on
her perspective of "The Work With" on her blog.
HERE to have a look...
There's another great article written by
a fellow who has made hundreds of sales calls as a "brand
ambassador." He has a terrific essay on his perspective of a
HERE to have a look at that article.
"Ride Withs" become very scarce during boom times. That's
because they don't "need" to sell wine when it's a seller's
market. When it's a buyer's market, however, the shoe is on the other foot
and you'll have an endless flood of people wanting to ride with you every day of
Most sales reps ask if it's okay to bring someone by the shop. Of course,
in doing so, you run the risk of getting a negative response. On the other
hand, that does allow you to bring the "ride with" to accounts which
are more potentially receptive to their wines.
As a buyer, I can tell you some days (lately), it's non-stop and we don't have
time to SELL WINE!
In 2017, with the market for wine being jam-packed, we've been inundated with
visitors. I often reject seeing various purveyors, having perhaps tasted
the wines at some trade event or having ordered a glass of their wine while
dining out. Or I've been on a tasting panel someplace and already had a
look at their wines...
I often detect a note of desperation on the part of some sales reps and those
who are helpful to our business will get a nod with the notation that "If
you're really in need of filling the day, go ahead and bring them by."
In a certain way, many times a "ride with" is nothing more than you
holding someone's hand to try to sell their wine. Or they're holding yours
in an effort to woo your customers to their products.
We hope you, at least, get a good meal from this experience.
We had not seen a representative from an un-named winery (let's
call it Chateau Chardonnay) in about 10 years. One day a fellow
showed up with the distributor rep to show us their current line-up of
Chardonnays. We find the wines to be rather nice, but this firm has the
idea that their product is really at its best in restaurants, especially the $20
We explained that we had been a first vintage customer going back to the 1981
vintage and we are interested in their wines but, over the years, this winery
has had the idea that we do not merit carrying their wines. They have a
tiny window of opportunity to buy the wines for retail. However,
restaurant accounts can make a purchase any time they like.
The fellow was not particularly sympathetic, asking "Well, what should we
do since we don't have enough wine to meet the demand?" I responded
that taking care of your "foundation" accounts, those who helped you
build the place would be a good idea. "I wouldn't open new markets
until the supply is sufficient." I argued that it might make
better business sense to take care of long-standing customers, rather than
dropping them to place your wine in the newest, trendiest eating establishment
that has never bought a bottle from you and will, likely, be "history"
in six to twelve months.
The banter went on for a while and we tasted some lovely, elegant, refined
At the end the fellow placed an informative sheet on the counter regarding a
new, deluxe bottling.
"I notice you didn't bring that one in to taste." I said.
"Well, we only have so much and it's quite limited...blah, blah, blah,
When I inquired as to how we are going to speak knowledgeably about this wine he
told me "You sell this based on the reputation of the winery."
I explained "No. You see, we are a wine merchant business. WE
have a reputation and we'd be most interested to taste your wine so we can tell
prospective customers about it."
He was not impressed, it seems.
"Well, you carry so-and-so's White Burgundy, I noticed." he said.
"Yes, and their importer hosts an annual tasting so we might be familiar
with their wines." I replied.
The fellow, by the way, never presented a business card (maybe he doesn't want
to have customers pestering him for wine?).
The sales rep later noted how interesting that the young wine buyers in the
restaurant accounts the winery so desperately seeks had little interest in their
wines since they don't have the huge oak, alcohol or slight residual sugar of
Chardonnays these "kids" seem to prefer. As is a frequent occurrence,
here is a winery which prefers to sell its wines to customers who want it the
least, not to those who are receptive to their products, price point and style.
NOTES TO THOSE "RIDING
WITH" A SALES REP:
1. Schedule your "ride with" well ahead of time to allow the
sales rep time to coordinate with accounts. This might be a month or two
ahead of time. And then, please show up on time. Some folks don't
value the time of the sales rep or the account...if I'm expecting you to show
up, please know you get "minus points" for bailing out at the last
Please don't plan on accompanying sales reps on
They hate it and accounts are not happy to see you, either...
If there's a Monday holiday, your driving around with sales reps during a
'short' week is impractical as your accounts have less time to deal with reps in
placing orders and time is short for putting away shipments/deliveries.
2. Please know that they have other fish to fry in order to pay the rent,
so don't been upset if they engage the account to order other merchandise.
(You're there, really, planting seeds...the sales rep may have some harvesting
3. If you've got any sales acumen, you'll want to scope the account ahead
of time...why not ask the rep where you'll be visiting so you can have a look on
the internet (if you're unfamiliar with the account) to see if they're a serious
wine emporium or merely a 'liquor store.' Once in the account, consider
poking around to note a few things including "Do they have room for my
wine?" and "What wines of my competitors are they carrying?"
4. Please have some sort of story to tell. I'll often ask those
riding with our sales rep "Why do we need your wine?" Amazingly,
many of these marketing folks have not given this any thought beyond the fact
that "Our wine received a 90 point rating from The Wine
Magazine." Big whoop-tee-do! So do half the wines made all over
the planet. What makes yours so special?
One "ride with" justified the $85 price tag on
their Cabernet with "We lose money on our $40 Chardonnay."
Another fellow told me their wines were costly because "We hired
high-priced winemaking talent along with a sommelier to conduct tastings at our
5. Don't be offended if I ask you some pointed questions about your
One marketing genius showed up with a $12.50 wholesale
price on a Pinot Noir. I asked her how I could possibly sell this when a
nearby competitor was offering it for $9.99 at retail. She proudly told me
that the two wines were totally different, though made by the same winery.
The one for $12.50 was the entry level bottling, while the one being sold by the
competitors for ten bucks was the higher-priced, reserve bottling. And she
said this with a straight face, much to my surprise and the shock and horror of
the distributor rep. The nice distributor rep will never sell this
"ride with's" wines and neither will her colleagues.
Another marketing whiz kid was surprised that I'd be unwilling to buy her
$360/case Napa Cabernet when it was being offered by an on-line flash site for
$372 a case to consumers (with free shipping, no less!).
6. KNOW YOUR S#@* !!!
A poor fellow from a modest-sized distributor had a young
guy he was dragging along to show a Prosecco.
The Prosecco-Meister mentioned that his was a "Champenoise"-styled
Prosecco and it was "the only one in the market."
Really? We have two bottle-fermented examples in our shop.
I asked him about the dosage in his bubbly, referring to the amount of residual
He looked perplexed. Of course he was perplexed...he had no idea what a
dosage refers to.
We looked at the bottle, tasting a perfectly dull fizzy white wine and we asked
him to show us where, on the bottle or label, it was noted as being a
"Oh, it's not bottle fermented," he explained. "It's
fermented in large tanks."
A member of the distributor's management team confided that this fellow tried to
B-S them at a staff tasting and they told him he would be "called out"
if he trotted out this misinformation.
He didn't heed their advice, for one thing and he demonstrated he knows
virtually nothing about sparkling wine, be it his or others.
7. Telling an account which wine you're presenting
is "your favorite" is totally useless. I am, however, glad
you've got something in your portfolio that you enjoy drinking.
FROM A FORMER BRAND AMBASSADOR FROM GERMANY
A fellow who visited our shop some
years ago happened to find this web page. He's working with a
distribution company in Deutschland and he sent me a note re-introducing
himself (and asking if he could use these suggestions and stories as an
educational tool for his sales reps).
He recalls his visits to Weimax and tells about his days riding around
with sales reps in an effort to sell wine.
first visit to your shop was Jake I think his name was Higgins from NW
Wines and later with Ms. MS the Austrian lady from R-W Imports.
I was always very surprised by the speed you've tasted my wines and by
the clear precise questions you've asked. You were the first, who ever
asked me about the age of our barrels and things like that.
coincidence I found your home page today and was happily surprised by
your folder "How to be a sales rep". You're telling totally
the truth but I think that you're maybe a little bit too polite if it
comes to work or ride withs.
was traveling throughout the US at least 5 trips each of 3 weeks a year
for 6 years and was always positively surprised by shops like yours and
trust me there are not a lot which are not point-driven instead of
Most shops and buyers are not very well trained to taste wines, they are
looking for points and prices and they don't have a clue what their
customers are looking for.
back to sales reps and work with. I personally figured out that a lot of
sales reps are not very well organized and that they are stealing your
time because they are not listening to their customers and they are not
taking notes of what competitors wines are in the shelves and what is
able to sell and what not in their region.
was the opposite and I've met some more which did a good job, but most
of them they don't listen to their customers.
Let me explain one situation. It was at a wine shop in Georgia, I think
near Atlanta. The buyer told my sales rep that he really believes in dry
or at least halbtrocken German Rieslings and we've shown up the second
time, I think it was a year later with the same sales rep and we were
showing Qba off-dry, Kabinett, Spätlese and Auslese and I was looking
at my sales rep and was asking him if why he was not doing notes. If I
can remember 1 year later what kind of wine the retailer is looking for
then I think that I can expect the same thing from my distributor/sales
of these guys don't think that we have to pay for tickets, hotels,
lot of times I really believe that we all would be able to sell more if
the sales reps would be better prepared and listen in advance to their
customers and taking the right wines to their customers.
Sometimes the sales rep should be more mindful of what might sell
in a particular account. Other times, and what our German friend might not
quite understand, is the importer or distributor may be focused on wines they
have in greater quantities.
We routinely see visitors with wines which won't at all work for a store such as
A French fellow showed up one day with a good rep
wanting us to taste his wines.
When he set the bottles on the tasting counter, I probably rolled my eyes and
could not keep my usual "poker face."
I tasted a few of the samples, all factory-made plonk of no interest to anyone
with half a palate. The wines might be suitable for a really dodgy dining
spot but they are not the kind of wines anyone will go out of their way to buy,
even if they're cheap.
This was a real waste of time for everyone, but the distributor doesn't care
about the charade they're asking the rep to pull off.
I explained we have no interest in this sort of plonk and he asked where I might
suggest they go to sell this portfolio.
I suggested the wines might work in grocery store chains.
"Oh no," he told us. "We want to place these in good
restaurants and fine wine shops."
All I can say is they're totally clueless.
I felt bad for the sales rep, unless the guy treated her to a nice dinner with
wines of greater quality than the crap he's selling.
A local rep was trying to line up an
itinerary of accounts to show off a modest quality wine with a sophomoric brand
name and label. It's aimed at young people who will get a kick out of the
mildly risqué label.
We had tasted this wine some years ago and apart from the wine being of poor
quality, the female staff members were even more offended by the brand than I
was (and I was not interested in having this in the shop just because of the
label -- and I'm usually pretty open-minded and have a wicked sense of humor--).
I replied with an email saying we have no interest...go fishing elsewhere.
She responded saying she was not having much luck in setting up a tour.
I sent another missive saying here's precisely why we are not interested and
this included some definitions of the brand name. Admittedly, these were a
bit rude, so perhaps I deserved the admonishing response demanding I never send
her that sort of thing ever, ever again.
Well...okay...but she opened that can of worms in the first place.
DON'T BE STUPID or FOOLISH
We were reminded recently of a distributor that fired
its long-time sales rep in favor of a fellow they viewed as smarter, sharper and
whom they figured would make a better "impression" in the
market. The long, established rep was, certainly, not a Rhodes
Scholar. But he did have several things going for him: he showed up in
every account on a weekly basis. He always had a bag full of bottles to
show people and he routinely wrote orders as a result. But his long
employment with this firm was, we suppose, not valued, and they cut him loose.
The new rep arrived one day soon after and announced in a loud voice which could
probably have been heard from here to a block down the street that he
"worked in Acme Liquors down the road for two years and then opened the
Zenith Wine Emporium in San Francisco, so I know about wine!" We
didn't mind hearing this, but, of course, the names of competing shops need not
be shouted out in another store, especially when the store has customers looking
around for wines.
On a succeeding (maybe that's not the right word, but I think you understand)
sales call, this smarter, sharper sales rep encountered a customer here whom
he'd seen in one of his other places of employment. As we were tallying up
this customer's purchase of a half a dozen bottles, the sales rep tells the
customer "If you are looking for good Burgundy wines, be sure to visit
Jean-Pierre Le Beauzeaux at Zenith...he's got some great wines!"
Even the guy's top level bosses couldn't believe this fellow turned out to be
dumber than the fellow whom they'd regarded as "Doofus." I don't
think the Rhodes Scholar lasted a year and within two years the distributorship
actually shut its doors!
As we're placing orders with the sales folks of the largest distributors in the
State, a marketing company gal arrives toting her bag o'bottles.
She tells us she's been asked to visit us by the rep from Company A. The
Company A rep happens to be standing right there and politely informs her that
he is, in fact, the Company A sales rep for the account. He's a sharp
fellow and doesn't miss a beat. He asks her to show us what wines she's
I asked what she had and I heard her say "A Sauvignon Blanc from the
Loire," so I asked if she could be more specific. She didn't seem to
know so the gal fished the bottle out of the bag and showed it to me. I
then asked what was the price of her Sancerre.
This was another baffling and difficult question as she did not know.
"Doesn't virtually every potential customer ask you how much the wines
cost?" I asked.
"Well, yes, but not until after they've tasted them."
This bottle, you see, was unopened, so she still had time to look up the answer.
I suggested she might be better prepared and know the pricing of her
wines. She said her company has, perhaps, 200 items, so knowing them is
I suggested she, at the very least, write the pricing on a card or on each
bottle, so she'd make a better impression on customers.
She had 4 to 6 bottles in her bag that day. Having a clue about the
pricing of such a small number of bottles should be easy and simply part of the
Many stores are not staffed by wine-savvy
people. We can understand a sales rep trying to assist a store's customer
to make a selection or find something.
Recently a rep, making her first call at the shop, butted in as one of our
staffers was assisting a customer who wanted to buy a case of wine.
This gal took it upon herself to suggest some wines to our client, which was a
bit awkward, since we did not have the items she was suggesting.
This did not endear her to our crew.
We had asked the area sales
manager for a particular portfolio of wines to contact us. One of his
wines had changed distributorships and, in the process, the price changed
I wanted to see if a wine we'd been buying for $7.50 was really going to now
wholesale for $12.
The month of November went by. Nothing.
In December, we understand, he was planning to stop by on Christmas Eve Day (the
busiest day of the year) but was dissuaded by the distributor rep.
In January he didn't bother contacting us, but he finally found time in
I asked what took him so long???
I also said we got the message that having their wine in our shop was clearly
not hugely important to this company.
"Oh no. It's really important!" he countered.
"Well, if it's that important, you might have touched base when we first
called, not three months later."
(Okay...you see, this is where I earn my reputation as a 'difficult customer'
because I cling to the often-mistaken notion these people signed up to do a
particular job and I get a bit bent out of shape when they don't do it.)
So then I asked "What's your best price on the Chardonnay, please?"
"Nine dollars a bottle is the best we can do."
"Alright...well, I was selling it for $9.99, so that's not going to work so
well, but thanks for stopping by."
Now you see, I asked what the BEST PRICE was and he quoted $9.
Now that I've said "No," that BEST PRICE is suddenly $8.
I'm one little independent store. If he can go down to $8, what will he do
when some big chain store comes calling?
The same feller came by with a winery rep to show some wines. One of the
wines cost $136 a case, but it's retailing at a local shop for $13.99. He
said he was willing to do something illegal to allow us to possibly be able to
retail that wine at a price matching the competitor.
I passed on that magnanimous offer, however.
CELL PHONE COURTESY
Years ago we used to have pay phones and phone
booths...You didn't hear people conducting business (or having a private
conversation, with everyone in the area able to listen in).
Many sales reps carry a cell phone at all times. This is fine, of course,
and probably a good idea. But we'd suggestion turning them ringer to
"silent" when going into a place to make a sales call. You can
have the phone vibrate when there's a call or text message coming in, but it
shouldn't distract you (or the buyer) from taking an order.
If you do need to make a call (or receive one), why not step outside the shop or
restaurant so you can conduct your business in relatively privacy?
Do you want the buyer to hear you're getting an order for 10 cases of something
from a competitor? Do other sales reps need to hear what business you're
We've seen some reps using their I-Pad or laptop to make some transactions while
waiting to make a presentation...this seems fine to us, as long as the rep isn't
distracted to the point of not being able to get our order transcribed properly.
You may want to have a cell phone charger in your car to allow you to recharge
your device while driving from account to account.
A "THANK YOU" AIN'T A BAD IDEA!
Mary Redmond Woodworth of the Central Coast wine
company called HarvestGate says "Don't forget to say thank you and a note
always nice. Make it prompt. It's a good way to get your name in
front of the buyer again. Most importantly, it shows respect for his/her
One young lady would always send a nice little card after taking an order,
thanking the buyer (and staff members) for tasting her line-up of wines and for
making a purchase.
I'm not sure this is a good idea if you're taking orders on a weekly basis, but
it is a nice touch for the staff to know the sales rep appreciates their efforts
in selling the wines.
LEAVING A TERRITORY OR ROUTE
We have been at our "post" for
decades and have seen hundreds of sales reps come and go.
In some cases, we are sad to "lose" a sales rep, while in other
instances, the rep did a poor job and so it was no great loss.
Sometimes a sales or distribution company changes a rep's roster of
accounts. Sometimes the sales rep quits and moves to Timbuktu, caring
little if they burn a bridge (with intent or inadvertently). The
wine business is a small world, though, so if you intend to remain in it,
keeping the doors open should you wind up in a different position is probably
not a bad idea.
It's a good idea, then, to alert all your soon-to-be former accounts that you
are no longer calling on them.
We've been surprised with the sudden changes of sales reps...sometimes nobody
new shows up for months, leaving us wondering why So-And-So suddenly became such
One sales person, who had antagonized us about "not wanting to buy wine
from her" was hired to be the California ambassador for a winery whose
wines we featured and sold well. The distributor's sales person was tasked
with "riding with" this woman and they were a bit shocked when she
balked at coming into our shop "not wanting to f*@&-up the sales of our
wines at that account."
Clearly she harbored guilty feelings about how she'd behaved when calling on us.
One rep said he'd pay a visit in a week.
A month later, we had not heard from him.
I finally dropped him a note and he told me he was no longer calling on this
I told him our last communication was that he'd be here in a week and a month
later we had not heard from him nor had anyone from that distributorship
contacted us to say there had been changes in their representation.
Sensing I was a bit agitated and having read this web page, he told me he didn't
want to be made to "feel like a criminal or like he'd done something
"Well, put yourself in the position of the accounts you were calling
on. You abandoned those accounts by not sending out a note saying there
were changes in the territory and that you would no longer be calling on
them. Maybe thanking them for their business would be a good idea.
But in my case, you told me you'd be here in a week and here it is a month later
and I've not heard from you. You've had the idea someone else would call
on your old accounts and they've likely not heard from anyone, either. So
you look like a slacker."
Two days later the fellow sent out a nice note
thanking accounts for their business and explaining he was not calling on the
territory any longer.
Maybe I'm not as much of a knucklehead as some sales reps think I am!
Another rep felt the need to
Months earlier she'd become enraged when
we'd placed some last-minute orders during the holiday season. She was out
of the country and we contacted a couple of her affiliated companies a few days
prior to Thanksgiving. One company was willing to put 5 cases on the truck
for the following day, despite our calling after "cut-off." The
rep was 8 or 9 time zones away in Europe, so it was at 10 or 11pm there when
we'd have initiated contact. Not being certain of the rep's ability to
respond immediately, we made the "mistake" of going directly to the
The rep threatened to give up our account when perhaps a simple "thank you
for your order" was more appropriate.
This individual has had a number of European vintners to "ride with"
and a couple of these did not go well in her view. I'd questioned a
vintner who claims as a marketing feature, the philosophy of being
environmentally-conscious, about the use of synthetic "corks" as a
closure for his bottles. I also pointed out the high level of H2S in one
of his wines. He blamed that on the inclusion of a particular grape in his
Gee, we have varietal wines made of that grape and the wines are perfectly
Another time she arrived, well after our tasting hours. We were
It took about 20 minutes for the visiting winemaker to explain to a Weimax
staffer every detail of his $240/case Pinot Blanc. Then he explained the
next two wines from the vineyard to the glass, leaving out only the details of
his flight from Europe to California.
She finished tasting and went to lunch, leaving me by myself.
I tasted the first wine and asked that they only tell me the price.
As he poured the second wine, the phone rang and I told the customer I'd gladly
take their order and would be with them in a moment. I'd been standing by
6 feet from the rep and the ride-with. I left the room , took the
customer's order to be delivered to a birthday recipient and picked up the
This Pinot Blanc is $320 a case. Ouch.
The last wine was a little red which I thought was good if it cost $144 to $160
a case. It was $192.
I asked, then, how much that wine cost at the cellar door as just that day a
German friend had asked for some tips for his little wine tour vacation.
The fellow said the wine cost twelve Euros.
Okay...too much...I knew my friend would be happy if it cost 6 or 8 but it's not
The sales rep became agitated and jammed the samples into their tasting bag and
said "You know, Gerald, why don't you just go out to SFO, hop on a plane
and go buy these wines at the bleeping cellar-door?"
Look, the wine is worth what it's worth.
I checked the vintner's web site and, in fact, it was selling for 9 Euros, not
I suspect he inflated the price so his wholesaler's pricing would not seem so
A week later the rep came in with her lovely, charming smirk and said "Bet
you didn't think you'd see me again, did you?"
Well, why not?
She said she would never bring in another winemaker because we were so disrespectful.
Apparently, our putting a 'pause' on the last tasting so we could help our
customer was viewed as rude. We should have asked permission, apparently.
A week later, another rep stopped by and announced he was taking over the
account for Miss Manners.
(By the way, we are still good friends with Miss Manners and we dine out
periodically. I even bring some killer bottles of wine.)
We asked a sales rep if the company
billed a competitor the price as they billed us.
She said they did. The price list has most of the wines as "net"
priced (not discounted) and a small percentage have a three case "stand
alone" price or a 5 case Mix & Match for the same pricing.
We routinely order 5-8 cases per order.
We pressed the rep to ask management if they billed this other account at the
The rep seemed a bit embarrassed to admit, after inquiring, that they do indeed
offer disparate pricing to another customer.
We might have understood the extra discounting had the competitor been buying a
pallet of some wine, but we had paid $10 a bottle for an item and the competitor
was billed $8.50 a bottle when purchasing three boxes as part of perhaps a 20
The company, apparently, is unwilling to suggest if we buy 20 boxes, they would
offer us the same pricing.
We have, by the way, assisted this company in getting the "franchise"
to import a few brands of note and the owner has asked us to help with some
knowledge about previously-imported wines (does the old importer have any
remaining inventory? How much? And at what price?)
The owner needed to know the current market pricing for a particular type of
wine and we did some research, providing prices of competing products of perhaps
30 other brands.
Maybe this assistance is of some value? Might a "thank you" be
We suggested to our rep that equitable pricing would be appreciated and might
help them sell more wine.
A 9 case order that week arrived with the usual pricing.
Less than 2 weeks later we placed a 7 case order, but three cases were
"I'll get you our best pricing even though you don't have 5 cases coming,
The four boxes arrived the next morning and that $10 bottle is now $10.67.
We immediately checked the computer for their on-line pricing and this item was
posted at $128/case as its "front-line" (non-discounted pricing) and
$120/case for three stand-alone or 5 case mix and match.
The rep did not answer the phone at 8am when the delivery guy was here so we
returned the order and figured this error was due to our not having 5 cases on
At 10am the rep called and we explained the situation.
"Oh no, I did get you best pricing. We raised the price to
$136 frontline and $128 now is the best price."
The online price-list shows the same price we had been paying. $120/case.
The rep should have given us a "last call" on the pricing before it
But even so, they could sell this to another account just a few weeks
earlier (and during the same month) for $8.50 and now every other account can
"Look" we told her, "send us a five case order tomorrow and send
the wine at the pricing you have advertised on your web site. If the wine
arrives at a price different from what you're advertising, I will simply send
back the order."
No personal insults, by the way...just a firm demand the wine be sold at its
At the end of the day the owner of the company called to berate us for
mistreating his sales rep.
This was a shocking development, frankly.
The rep has been on this job for less than 2 years and it seems was emotionally
scarred by being told the wine would be returned if the advertised pricing was
The owner said he was not sending our order and we would not be seeing this rep
in the future.
We tried to explain to this fellow the pricing dynamic was at the heart of this
"I'm not here to discuss pricing," he told us. "You're
changing the subject and frankly I would change the subject if I were you."
We would be more understanding of his admonishments had we engaged in
name-calling or personal insults to the rep, but we had been quite polite about
We still buy wine from this company as we find a number of good wines in the
portfolio. And we are loyal to our friends who make those wines and have
been recommending these wines for many years, so there's a following for them at
But the onus, now, is on me to place orders, know what new arrivals they have,
The distributor now provides very little service and sales will suffer.
The proprietor could have said "Let's meet this week with my rep and hash
this out" or "I'll call on you personally" or "I'll ask
another rep to come see you when they can."
Had we been out-of-line in mistreating the sales rep, we'd certainly apologize.
Now we simply place orders by email with the owner of the distributorship.
They don't send us a monthly price list or ask if we'd like to taste new
THERE ARE GOOD SALES REPS
I received a note thanking me for posting this informative
and helpful article from someone who had just gotten a job in the wine
industry. They pointed out this page seems more negative and that we,
somehow, have contempt for the sales reps who call on the shop.
We don't go out of our way to offend or abuse people. We merely react to
the people who are devoted (in one manner or another) to our account.
In fact, there ARE good sales reps.
The good ones show up on a regular basis, present new products and check on the
inventory status of existing placements and make us aware of upcoming tastings
and new releases.
Some know the price of various items and will advise us "You can save a
dollar a bottle if you buy three cases of that item instead of two."
Or "We have that in six-pack format and our best price is on two
One rep is very good about checking his merchandise and is so helpful, he'll go
do a "will call" (pick it up at the warehouse himself) if he sees
we're nearly sold out!
The import buyer at a major shop recently "fired" a sales rep.
He'd been buying two or three boxes of a particular wine on a regular basis and
only when the rep was on vacation and he called the order desk did he learn
there's been a substantially better (lower) price had he ordered five cases.
This rep had been 'costing' his store money by not informing the buyer of
Some pay attention to the arrival of merchandise we've requested several times.
"We just received 20 cases...can I send you some of these?"
Others monitor the inventory of items we're working with.
"We are running out of that item. Why don't I place an order for
delivery in three weeks for several cases of that so you don't run out before
the next release?"
"We just got word the last shipment is in...how many cases would you